Wayne Brady vs Bill Maher: How a Good Brotha Fights A Bad White Man

He does it by talking about the black women (of questionable repute) that the “bad white man” dates.

Say What?

Apparently, Wayne Brady (WB) got plenty tired of Bill Maher (BM) using his name to lament President Obama not being hardcore or thuggish enough to suit him. Perhaps both should search YouTube for that video remake of a Waka Flocka rap where President Obama is as thug-like as they want him to be. It is so funny. Not.

In an interview with the tall, black and beautiful Aisha Taylor (whose husband is white), Wayne Brady utters some of the following (excerpted from Mediaite):

“I’ve had Bill Maher twice now when referencing Obama, [sic] he’s like ‘yeah, with your Wayne Brady’ — it’s a diss to Obama to be called me,” Brady explained to Tyler on her podcast this week, noting that Maher wanted a “brother brother.” Accusing Maher of only having the “particular black experience” of “fuck[ing] black hookers,” he explained that he did not confront Maher usually because “if I would have gone on his show or even doing it online, I’m not going to win, he still has his platform.”

But Brady explained that Maher was wrong to think of Brady as somehow not “black enough.” “I’m not saying I’m really badass but, if Bill Maher has his perception of what’s black wrapped up, I would gladly slap the shit out of Bill Maher in the middle of the street, and then I want to see what Bill Maher would do.” He explained that he wouldn’t actually do this “because I’d get sued and lose my house and its not worth it for me, but the black man part of me would be so satisfied to slap the shit out of him in front of Coco and Ebony and Fox, the three ladies of the night that he has hired.”

It Is Such An Epic Smackdown

Lemme tell you something, Wayne Brady is essentially a “good brotha”. See how bad-ass this man is? He uses a lot of profanity. He talks about Bill Maher’s sex life. He’s showing us he can be street. Keepin’ it real. What a profile in courage. Courage! I tell you.

  • WB does not ask BM to invite him onto his show for a man-to-man showdown. Nope. Instead, he makes these comments on a podcast with a relatively well-known black woman (who’s married to a white man) to talk smack about BM’s sex life with “black hookers”.
    • This tactic looks familiar, a “good black man” (married to a non-black woman) runs to a black woman to talk about a white man’s sex life. There’s just too much mess here to unpack.
  • WB does not ask BM to invite him onto his show for a man-to-man showdown. WB admits he would not win, since BM would get the last word. Apparently, BM is so very all-powerful. Does WB think we’re supposed to believe it is simply by virtue of getting the last word? In this age of social media?
    • One of the most “powerful / popular” people on Facebook is George Takei (a.k.a Mr. Sulu). Nearly everybody can get a last word in.
  • WB falls into role playing a wanna-be-thug anyway, just to convince others that he is not an emasculated, weak, well-behaved, white accommodating negro. Then he proceeds to talk about himself – nearly in 3rd person for additional distancing – just to express his desire to smack BM. Is he afraid of going to jail if he made the threat directly?
    • I get that he’s joking. But it was funny when he did it on Chappelle’s Show.
  • Why does WB make black women (they are still human beings – I know a lot of people forget this) part of the focal point in his courageous blasting of BM? Since when is smacking a white man in front of black women (for whom WB obviously has no respect for) something to be in awe of? They are already denigrated for being black women.
    • Why bring them into his diss of BM? Because at the end of the day, he is the emasculated, weak, well-behaved, white accommodating negro he’s referenced as.

They Can Never Put Their Egos Aside

I know some of us love misdirection, and will think this topic is about Bill Maher or the “type” of women he likes to be seen in public with. I’m looking at the composition of what one man said about another. I expected a direct man-to-man retort, but that – in my eyes – never occurred.

Somehow a “good brotha” decided that the best way to insult a “bad white man” inevitably involved black women and sex. (And this topic is an old one.)

Don’t be fooled by the “black hooker”, “black prostitute” or “black women are easy” talk. You and I know some negroes never make a distinction when it comes to black women (as prostitutes), white men (as exploiters) and sex (always purchased, never about love).  Their goal is to continually promote this negative, tainted image.

“Good black men” or “good brothas” like to pretend that their sex / relationships with non-black women is about uplifting liberation, real love and reclaiming “black male pride” as reigning penis-champions, whereas black women are eternally debased sex slaves to all non-black men. And any man who tangles with us, no matter how low he is, will sink even further down.

You cannot ever win – the freedom to date whomever you like – if you ever give an inch to this type of argument and logic. Especially when used to serve the extremely fragile ego of a black male defending himself from a white man.

A Simple Rule of Thumb: Keep Black Women Out of It

If a “good brotha” is having a fight with a “bad white man” – let us all step far back and way way out of reach. ‘Cause when the fists start swinging – the “good black man”  is gonna end up punching black women in the face whilst pretending he couldn’t touch the “bad white man”. Somehow it’ll be because he keeps missing his target.

Yet, the truth is: he was always aiming for the black woman….

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53 Replies to “Wayne Brady vs Bill Maher: How a Good Brotha Fights A Bad White Man”

  1. @ Melissa Q

    I’m surprised that you did not see any BW/WM couples in England. Halima on Khadija’s site did mention that the caribbean women in England have a 33% interracial dating rate.

  2. @Believer,

    Bear in mind that the 30% number is the percentage of married black Caribbean women that are married ir. However the total marriage rates among black women in the uk of Caribbean decent is strikingly low. There is still a lot of ‘nothin but a brotha’ talk goin on here but it is not done in public. It was more common to see and hear this mentality 20 odd years ago but when a lot of Caribbean women saw the willingnes a lot od African women in the uk had to marrying white men, they wised up. This is why I am confused as to the apparently different mindset black Caribbean women in the US have to ir compared to those in the UK. Cos from what I gather the ones in the US seem to have always been much more open to ir, while the ones in the UK seem to have started out the way AA women seem to as well. This doesn’t mean one doesn’t see it among the African ones as well, but its mostly among those who grew up here or in predominantly working class environments. ‘Freshies’ (lol) seem much more open to ir. I wish black women all around the world would just wake up, smell the coffee and stop falling for the bs they are constantly being fed!

  3. @Jalilimaster

    I can recall you saying something in one of Khadija’s threads regarding AA women seeking European men, but I believe you stated that AA women should not make it known that they prefer Euro men to American White men. I suppose I can see the point in that….

    However in this comment, and I am not sure if I am misunderstanding something, but it comes across as discouraging BW, particularly AA women, from making themselves available to European men and particularly well to do European men. It also comes across as an underhanded dig.

    I just want to put it out there (for other readers) that I agree that a BW should keep herself up and make herself attractive. She should try to be as fit as she can and she should try to present herself in her best light re- clothing, makeup, manners etc.

    I also agree that one can assume that any woman who fits a certain beauty convention (such as those that include the famous entertainers you mentioned e.g. looking like a celebrity) will have an easier time and I think that applies within the U.S.

    But I have to diverge at that point.

    I think BW should strive to make the best match possible regardless of location. This means marrying up as far as they can go in addition to considering character, compatibility etc.

    It goes without saying that most men want a woman who is considered beautiful and that they are attracted to, but I don’t think that is limited to a specific “type” even if that “type” appears to be more inclusive.

    Certain phenotypes have been so maligned in the West that a BW may shortchange herself in dating and selecting a mate for marriage.

    This is how we get the caricatures, put downs, and stereotypes in public discourse (began by whites) and yet many BW say that the only people who have complimented them on their natural hair, skin, lips and other features have been – white.

    Most importantly, attractiveness, prettiness, and beauty are to be determined by the individual man who is doing the looking, observing, and interacting.

    A BW who does not fit the Kerri, Zoe, Naomi or Beyonce (or who is average) may still have an advantage. I assume and can only interpret the word average in regards to AA women to mean traditional West African features.

    Furthermore, I think she may have an advantage even with a well to do European man- because her midnight skin, very full lips, nose etc make her exotic to him. In the case of the AA woman or even other foreign woman she may be able to work the fact that she is foreign and different and thus, even more exotic.

    A BW who does not fit the Kerri, Zoe, Naomi or Beyonce may still have an advantage – even with a well to do man, but she will never know if she doesn’t put herself out there. And if she doesn’t get the response(s) she desires then she will use common sense and adjust her strategy.

    Lastly, I am not exactly clear on what is meant by if you are average looking you will be treated like most average looking women. I feel that a woman regardless of looks and even age are generally treated with respect and courtesy by most normal,healthy men in simple interactions.

    When it comes to dating, again, if a man is normal and healthy and not interested he will be polite and keep it moving.

    All of what you say is interesting and peculiar as all the BW I know who have traveled abroad have raved about the love they have received from the Euro men. And this is from dark women, West African looking women, plump women, older women. Even Fleeace Weaver is making bank introducing AA women to Euro men. There are average AA BW women in particular who have travel blogs/are expats who are in relationship/marriage with Euro men who for all intents and purposes – cherish them and treat them exceedingly well.

    Not looking for a war, but I am not pleased with black women limiting themselves in any way. Especially in relationships. I think the woman should find out on her own what is possible for her.

  4. Oshun, I will reply to your comment at length in my next post, however, I should say that I find it quite telling that you equate “average looks” with “West African features”. Most white women are neither beautiful nor ugly. They are average. Yet, they don’t have West African features. Most Asian, Latino, Native American and yes, Black women, are neither beautiful nor ugly. Most are just average in appearance. Hence, the reason it is called average. Most BW who are in ir relationships, and most bw in any type of relationship are going to be average looking.

    This issue/problem that you seem to have where any bw that looks like, well, a black woman is unattractive is your issue, not mine. And from your reply,it seems that when I used the word ‘average’, you took that to mean ‘unattractive’. No, it just means average. For another example, let’s use intelligence. Most people are not smart. Most people are not stupid. Most people are of average intelligence. Now, instead of most people, imagine I replaced it with most bw, would you take it to mean that I am implying that most bw are unintelligent?

    As I said, your issue, not mine!

  5. Pt 1:

    “@Jalilimaster
    I can recall you saying something in one of Khadija’s threads regarding AA women seeking European men, but I believe you stated that AA women should not make it known that they prefer Euro men to American White men. I suppose I can see the point in that….”

    It would have been better if you replied to it then, which must have been at least almost two years ago! I’m trying to remember exactly what I wrote, but I stand by it 100%. AA women need to understand that they are being had. Think back to all those black folks who would tell ir bloggers that they should encourage BW to date Asian/Latino (other men of colour) instead of white men. It was clear what their true motives were. They wanted to eliminate the largest pool of non-Black men available to BW, and have them concentrate on a far smaller group that was: (1) Less available to them (I’m pretty sure that most BW on these sites interact with White men far more than they do with Asian or Native American men, and possibly even Latino men. (2) Many of these men come from very colour struck cultures, therefore, BW would still face extra difficulties/hurdles that would not necessarily exist with WM.
    Now tie this into the issue of BW (in this case, AA women) travelling to Europe, possibly for a relationship. There is nothing wrong with that. Even if nothing pans out, you get a holiday, meet new people, experience new cultures, and get nice pictures. Now imagine if further than that, AA women started saying that they like European (white) men more than the American ones. Once again, that would not be a problem if all AA women lived in Europe. It just so happens that most don’t. The largest pool of men available to AA women is white American men. Where is the wisdom in running them down? First, it was that AA women preffered BM to white (American) men, or at least that is what many of them proclaimed from the rooftops (talk shows). That didn’t endear you to either AA men (who realised that they could turn the tables and make YOU have to do the chasing, which is what happened), and it certainly didn’t endear AA women to white American men. All you are doing now is replacing AA men with white European men. When we see the result, I wonder what the complaint will be then. Even if you prefer them, DON’T SAY IT. For one, it practically closes off the door to white American men approaching AA women, and gives European men the idea that they may not necessarily have to work as hard to get you. I don’t understand why this is so hard to understand.

    Once again, AA women, you are being had, big time. Within the past few years, I have seen an increasing number of WM say on these blogs that BW should approach them. Basically, they want the same lopsided arrangement y’all have been giving to AA men. I can tell you quite unequivocally, that I have never seen a WM go to a site for Black African women dating WM and tell them that they should approach WM and ask them out. They know they would be laughed at.

  6. Pt 2:

    “However in this comment, and I am not sure if I am misunderstanding something, but it comes across as discouraging BW, particularly AA women, from making themselves available to European men and particularly well to do European men. It also comes across as an underhanded dig.”

    Yes, you are misunderstanding, and no, there is no dig. I cannot even see where any supposed ‘dig’ could have come from in my comment. Additionally, I never even mentioned AA women in my comment except in the part about them making a mistake crowing abou Euro men above white American ones, AND my comment was in reply to question by Joan, who is African, so couldn’t one have also said I was trying to insult African women?

    “I just want to put it out there (for other readers) that I agree that a BW should keep herself up and make herself attractive. She should try to be as fit as she can and she should try to present herself in her best light re- clothing, makeup, manners etc.
    I also agree that one can assume that any woman who fits a certain beauty convention (such as those that include the famous entertainers you mentioned e.g. looking like a celebrity) will have an easier time and I think that applies within the U.S.
    But I have to diverge at that point.”

    You are kind of twisting my words here I’m afraid. I never said anything about a beauty convention/standard. Those are all your own words. I don’t even subscribe to the whole idea of some ‘European beauty standard’. Why? Because even using that, most of the BW I find very attractive, look black. Now when I say BW, I mean bw who look like bw. BW who are considered beautiful according to some ‘African standard’, whatever that means, would still be considered beautiful pretty much anywhere else. I suppose it is all about taste. I don’t consider India Arie to be a ‘beautiful woman’. To me, she is average. Yet, I hear AA women rave about her (although, I think it has more to do with her ‘black pride’ music than anyting else). I couldn’t care any less that she is brown skinned or has natural hair. To me, she is just average in looks. On the other hand, I consider Whoopi Goldberg to be quite attractive (now, hear me out on this, lol.) Most black folks disparage her appearance. However, in her younger days, when she made an effort, she actually looked quite good. However, for career reasons (to make it as the funny black woman), she had to make herself look shabby. Quite a few people who met her in person, when she wasn’t ‘in character’, mentioned how surprised they were with how she looked in person, compared to how she often looked on screen. The fact that most black folks call her ugly, did not change my opinion of the fact that I thought she was attractive. Besides, if she was really that ‘ugly’ she would not have been as successful as she was (at a time, the highest paid female actress, regardless of race).

    “I think BW should strive to make the best match possible regardless of location. This means marrying up as far as they can go in addition to considering character, compatibility etc.”

    That is a no-brainer!

  7. Pt 3:

    “It goes without saying that most men want a woman who is considered beautiful and that they are attracted to, but I don’t think that is limited to a specific “type” even if that “type” appears to be more inclusive.”

    I’m not too sure what you mean here, re: inclusive.

    “Certain phenotypes have been so maligned in the West that a BW may shortchange herself in dating and selecting a mate for marriage.
    This is how we get the caricatures, put downs, and stereotypes in public discourse (began by whites) and yet many BW say that the only people who have complimented them on their natural hair, skin, lips and other features have been – white.”

    This has nothing whatsoever to do with anything I wrote. In my comments, I made a distinction between a man being average in looks, and a man being of average income. When I say average income, I am referring to a man who is, most likely, college educated, had a good well-paying job, etc. Most men like this, although a good catch, do not tend to get women who look like supermodels/famous actresses. They tend to end up with the more average women, who are also usually college educated, have a good, stable job, and more average looking, i.e from plain jane to the pretty with a bit of effort to the naturally pretty. They all fall somewhere on the average scale. However, they don’t tend to be ‘stunning’. Most women in this world, and, I’d assume, most of the people reading this website are not ‘stunning’. Most aren’t ‘ugly’ either. How often have you met someone you thought was truly unattractive to look at. It rarely happens, because very few of them exist. Most people are some form of ‘average’. Get over it. I don’t see how you linked my comments with any BW short-changing herself.

    I am not going to play dumb here. Men who are well-to-do often have a wider choice when it comes to partners. When I say well-to-do, I mean rich i.e. millionaires and above. Let’s not pretend about it. Now, a rich AND handsome man would have even more options than a rich, average looking man, who would have more options than an average looking man with an average income. That’s just life. Similarly, a beautiful woman would get approached/asked out by well-to-do men more often than an average woman would. Once again, that is just life. The fact that you might not like the truth does not make it any less so.

    “Most importantly, attractiveness, prettiness, and beauty are to be determined by the individual man who is doing the looking, observing, and interacting.
    A BW who does not fit the Kerri, Zoe, Naomi or Beyonce (or who is average) may still have an advantage. I assume and can only interpret the word average in regards to AA women to mean traditional West African features.”

    Seriously, you don’t get to dump your issues on me. All these assumptions you made came from your own head. Don’t pretend that it was me who said this stuff.

    “Furthermore, I think she may have an advantage even with a well to do European man- because her midnight skin, very full lips, nose etc make her exotic to him. In the case of the AA woman or even other foreign woman she may be able to work the fact that she is foreign and different and thus, even more exotic.”

    This comment does not disagree with anything I said. When Kelly Rowland was judging on a UK ‘music’ talent show last year, so many men fancied her (although, she was the better looking of the female judges on the panel, so it was inevitable). She got extra points because she didn’t fit the mould of the AA women most people here are used to seeing. In fact, the only time any AA woman is in the media here and she gets good press, she is always of the half-other variety, or looks like she is, and her name is always Beyonce or Halle. The only darker skinned BW in UK media are Black British. For the record, most ww here didn’t like Kelly, for obvious reasons. The men here didn’t care! Why? Because she is a beautiful woman. The same dynamics that play out in America play out in Europe, particularly, in Britain. It is well known that ‘Black (American) films’ do not do well outside of America. Even if it is a predominantly white cast, but Will Smith is the star, it takes a hit. Yet, if only you saw the amount of publicity that the film ‘Precious’ got! I don’t think there is any talk show that didn’t have her on. The same goes for ‘The Help’. British media pretty much ignored the film, even when it was getting awards buzz, because all they could see were bw. When they got wind of the storyline, they all of a sudden couldn’t stop telling everyone to go watch it. AA women greatly underestimate the effect of western media outside of the US.

  8. Pt 4:

    “A BW who does not fit the Kerri, Zoe, Naomi or Beyonce may still have an advantage – even with a well to do man, but she will never know if she doesn’t put herself out there. And if she doesn’t get the response(s) she desires then she will use common sense and adjust her strategy.”

    For the record, I only mentioned those names because they are beautiful women that most people here would know. Other than that, I agree with your comment.

    “Lastly, I am not exactly clear on what is meant by if you are average looking you will be treated like most average looking women. I feel that a woman regardless of looks and even age are generally treated with respect and courtesy by most normal,healthy men in simple interactions.”

    I think your misunderstanding of my comment comes from us having a very different benchmark. When I refer to ‘average men’, I mean men who would be considered a good enough catch by most ‘average’ women. Any man below the educated and/or at least well employed isn’t someone I would even waste my time talking about on this site. Similarly, when I said average women would get treated like most other average women, I meant that average bw would get treated like most average other-race women (i.e in terms of likelihood of being approached). I wasn’t talking about men treating them poorly. A man treating a woman well has nothing to do with her looks. It is about how she carries and presents herself and his character/morals.

    “All of what you say is interesting and peculiar as all the BW I know who have traveled abroad have raved about the love they have received from the Euro men. And this is from dark women, West African looking women, plump women, older women. Even Fleeace Weaver is making bank introducing AA women to Euro men. There are average AA BW women in particular who have travel blogs/are expats who are in relationship/marriage with Euro men who for all intents and purposes – cherish them and treat them exceedingly well.”

    This in no way disputes anything I wrote. I agree completely with what you said here. My point was that folks shouldn’t see Naomi dating a handsome billionaire (I wouldn’t go into their relationship here), and say, ah, there is a BW with that very handsome, very wealthy wm, and decide to trudge over to Europe to get one for themselves, all the while ignoring who the BW is. Most men like that tend to go for the same type of woman. If he was dating a ww, she would be another beautiful woman, not just anybody. Men of that calibre have that luxury, especially if they also get to be handsome as well. That’s just life.

    “Not looking for a war, but I am not pleased with black women limiting themselves in any way. Especially in relationships. I think the woman should find out on her own what is possible for her.”

    No war here. I was just a bit irritated that you said that I was trying to discourage BW, and in particular, AA women from dating European men, when I was doing the opposite. All I did was be honest to an African woman (Joan) about the dynamics at play in Europe. Afterall, in my comment to her, I actually told her that if she was especially attractive, she should go to Europe. Not because other women don’t get play, but from what a lot of AA women say, even attractive BW struggle to get play in America. So really, I was doing the opposite of what I was accused of doing! Also, I am pretty sure I was one of the first people to take AA women to task a few years ago in the BWE blogosphere, for relinquishing the ‘exotic’ label to foreign BW. If I was playing games, wouldn’t I have left you all to continue in that foolishness?!

  9. @Jalilimaster

    I wrote: I can recall you saying something in one of Khadija’s threads regarding AA women seeking European men, but I believe you stated that AA women should not make it known that they prefer Euro men to American White men. I suppose I can see the point in that….”

    Your response: It would have been better if you replied to it then, which must have been at least almost two years ago! I’m trying to remember exactly what I wrote, but I stand by it 100%. AA women need to understand that they are being had. Even if you prefer them, DON’T SAY IT. For one, it practically closes off the door to white American men approaching AA women, and gives European men the idea that they may not necessarily have to work as hard to get you. I don’t understand why this is so hard to understand……

    My response: I am not arguing with you on this point. I think BW should use discretion in what they do and work everything to their advantage. They should not shoot themselves in the foot.

  10. @ Jalilimaster Part 1

    “however, I should say that I find it quite telling that you equate “average looks” with “West African features”.”

    Most African American women despite admixtures who live in the U.S. and one may even say generally the West have West African features! You and I both know that this is true. Again, despite admixtures, BW are not a nation of mulattos/morenas. If most “average BW” all looked light, bright, and almost white (in skin, features and hair) there would be no issues of colorism or featurism for BW to deal with that specifically disparages – West African features. BWE would be out of business on that end.

    “Most white women are neither beautiful nor ugly. They are average. Yet, they don’t have West African features. Most Asian, Latino, Native American..”

    This blog and subsequent conversations revolve around issues impacting BW. Not other women. We all know that other folks don’t have West African features. As a matter of fact other folks are doing fine in life and they have communities/forums that celebrate the average-ness of their beauty and specific features – unlike black women.

    “This issue/problem that you seem to have where any bw that looks like, well, a black woman is unattractive is your issue, not mine. And from your reply,it seems that when I used the word ‘average’, you took that to mean ‘unattractive’. No, it just means average. As I said, your issue, not mine!”

    LOL! Don’t ever tell me what I think, feel, or what my issues are. Since you jumped right in – I feel that this is exactly what you were saying in your post. That a West African featured woman is not a “stunner” and shouldn’t bother. I feel the exact opposite and strongly feel it necessary to counter that. I am not going to allow anyone to further poison the spirits of my sisters and not say anything – even if the poison is couched as well meaning advice.

    I wrote: “However in this comment, and I am not sure if I am misunderstanding something, but it comes across as discouraging BW, particularly AA women, from making themselves available to European men and particularly well to do European men. It also comes across as an underhanded dig.”

    Your response: “Yes, you are misunderstanding, and no, there is no dig. I cannot even see where any supposed ‘dig’ could have come from in my comment. Additionally, I never even mentioned AA women in my comment except in the part about them making a mistake crowing about Euro men above white American ones, AND my comment was in reply to question by Joan, who is African, so couldn’t one have also said I was trying to insult African women?”

    Here is your original quote: “That is a mistake, I think, that a lot of AA women are making. They see these white European men who are top-rate catches married to or in serious long-term relationships with BW, and interpret that to mean that European men love BW. They don’t. They just love beautiful women. If you are average looking, like most women are, you are going to get treated like most average looking women, and will be approached by the more average men (average looks, income etc.). It is not rocket science.”

    Your whole quote above was directed towards African American women. It specifically focuses on AA women and “top-rate” catches. It pointedly tells BW that Euro men are not open to BW – unless said BW is considered “beautiful”. It also suggests that average women are treated “differently” which can only mean differently from “beautiful” women.

    Since I don’t think that sane AA women are rejecting “average looking/earning” well- mannered, solid men left and right so much as to cause alarm- the last few words of your original post are a moot point.

    It was everything you said prior to that. At best, one can say you are suggesting “stay reasonable”. At worst your comment reads similar to the DBR-BM warning AA women that “White men don’t want yall. Especially high earning White men who can have White, Asian, Latina and all other women but black – so don’t yall bother to even get in the game”.
    I find it odd that you would stress such points to a group of women who have already been browbeaten and indoctrinated to accept only crumbs.

    And in my response to your quote I wanted to stress to my sisters that “beautiful” can only be determined by the individual man himself. So get in the game and reach for all your hands can hold. Beauty is arbitrary and fluctuates with place and time, and in the case of AA BW – politics.

    GoldenAh: 😉

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